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Also, another suggestion that has worked for me, is to focus on the content sometimes when it works for you. Sometimes the higher context is being held by part of your mind, and by focusing on the content you are effectively surrendering it, using the power of the context behind it.
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Posted on: 2010/1/24 8:56
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Hello Ethereal,
Respectfully, do you practice this by yourself or do you work with a group or a teacher? colleen |
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Posted on: 2010/2/21 3:18
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This is very interesting, I believe this helped. So if you have anymore new insights please add them, I'm sure it will help even more, if not now maybe down the road. I somewhat understand with what you are saying that the higher thinking is sometimes nesecary to hold us in place for the actual non-thinking or awareness,...if that makes any sense. |
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Posted on: 2010/2/23 12:24
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Colleen,
Some of the information (like the stages of enlightenment and the field) I've learned from teachers and partially corroborated within my own experience, the others (contemplation techniques and insights) I've learned on my own through experimentation and seeing what works. I do these practices on my own, since I am not sure if it works for other people. I've just found it to work for me, and I wanted to share it here in the hopes that someone else might find it useful. Alc, Not exactly sure what you mean by your statement, but perhaps this might be helpful: Ramana maharshi once said something to the effect of, "the mind needs to grasp onto the higher states". I take this to mean that "thinking" or contemplation or what Adyashanti calls "effortless effort", is required in order to reach higher states. Buddha once said that each stage of enlightenment is a "place of effort". So some kind of "doing" or "thinking" or contemplation is required, it's not just that there's nothing to do and no one to do it, so you don't do anything. By the way, all the contemplation techniques that I've mentioned, and all the ones that you may figure out for yourself, work at specific stages of your path and not at others. So do whatever it is that is working for you right now, and don't worry if a technique stopped working or if you can't get it to work. Some more insights and techniques that I've learned: Mind tensing technique: This is similar to the whole-body tensing technique that some of you may know, where you try to tense all your muscles in your body all at once for 5-10 seconds or so, and then after relaxing you find that you're in a deeper state of relaxation than before. What you do is, try to further tense or contract your mind completely, or around "areas" of tension/contraction or around the "center"/self/ego/I-sense, and then relax and follow the feeling of release deeper into surrender. The mind kind of gravitates towards surrender naturally, so if you give it a stimulus to grasp onto, like the feeling of release, the mind follows that feeling/direction inward and goes deeper within. Surrendering the surrenderer / center: The mind naturally grasps onto one part of mind, which is the self or center. When trying to surrender, what is usually happening is the mind grasps like crazy at one end of the mind, and tries to push away / let go at the other end. But you can't let go completely while you're still holding on to one end of the mind (the center). So what you can do is, completely let go of the periphery of the mind, which is your experience, or everything that the mind is grasping onto besides the center/self, and then surrender the center as well, so that you let go of both ends of the mind. It will feel like you are surrendering the surrenderer. When surrendering the center, your mind doesn't move in a particular mental "direction", so it is not a grasping or pushing away or manipulation of mental objects/experience. It is almost as if you're doing nothing with the mind, a "directionless" movement you could say. It is not a forceful letting go or surrender (which is actually the mind pushing away), but more of just a recognition that you are already surrendered, you are already free. There are many stages of it I think, as the surrender gets deeper and deeper. One of the stages which I am more familiar with, is surrendering the center of mental perception and movement based on the location in the middle of your head. If you observe closely, you'll see that all of your mind's movements are based off of this imaginary center in the middle of your head; it acts like a reference point, like the origin of a coordinate system. All the pushing away and grasping of experience occurs in reference to this center. After surrendering it, it's like you can't feel your mind move anymore, not in any particular direction. These days I've been just doing surrender in general, surrendering the experiencer/self. If you let go completely, of experiencer and experience, then what is left is (seemingly) nothing. If you can intuit where this nothing-"space" is, and let go into that... :) It's rather difficult however, and I have a lot of trouble with it, it comes and goes in stages. What has worked for me is just simply to try letting go deeper. |
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Posted on: 2010/2/27 15:36
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This was very insightful. I appreciate you putting this out here, its very helpful.
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I agree with this. What I meant to say that the "thinking" becomes etheric in nature rather than intellectual or mental, its like a whole new paradigm in "thinking" which cannot be quite grasped by the intellect alone. Where the etheric rises above the normal intellect, rather that the intellect or emotional trying to make it be. Hence the term "effortless effort" which is a contraction in itself but makes perfect sense when it it understood through essense rather than form.I don't know if I have explained it right but its very hard to explain in a mental way, you seem to do a better job of it. Anyways, anymore insights you have I'm sure will help. |
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Posted on: 2010/3/7 17:13
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